As you might need seen, we had an opportunity to speak to Formula E CEO Jamie Reigle earlier this week to coincide with the announcement of an up to date schedule. However our dialog went far past simply chatting in regards to the schedule itself—I additionally wished to know extra in regards to the complexities of making that schedule, of how the collection is balancing the disposability of PPE with the collection’ sustainable targets, and, most significantly, how the destiny of the New York Metropolis ePrix appears to be like (spoiler alert: it’s good.
When you assume you’ve heard the title Jamie Reigle earlier than, that’s since you very effectively could have. He’s labored with huge names just like the Los Angeles Rams within the NFL and Manchester United within the English Premier League. And as somebody born in Montreal, Quebec, it’s an added bonus to know he has a eager curiosity in bringing System E to North America.
This interview has been flippantly edited for readability.
Elizabeth Blackstock: Thanks for taking the time to speak. I actually wish to discuss how System E has had such an enchanting response to COVID-19 and the construction of the collection itself has made logistics troublesome. Particularly the truth that final 12 months was your first full 12 months as System E CEO and also you type of obtained thrown into the proverbial fireplace. What was it prefer to face a world pandemic only a few months after you first began?
Jamie Reigle: And a world pandemic that everybody hoped and assumed would final a couple of months!
The System E alternative was particular for me on a private degree, and the plan was for the primary season to be observing and see how the collection is operated. It’s a fairly unimaginable story, what Alejandro [Agag, former Formula E CEO] and his staff have in-built a reasonably quick time period. The plan was actually simply to watch, study, meet everybody within the paddock—all of the groups, producers, and companions—after which maybe begin to consider how we will evolve issues going into season seven.
Clearly, it didn’t work out that method. It’s attention-grabbing. We first began listening to about COVID in January of final 12 months and postponed our race in Sanya. We took the choice the primary week of February. So it’s principally been a 12 months since we began going by way of this.
However I feel the excellent news with System E—and that is what I stated pre-COVID, and it nonetheless stands true—having been in plenty of different sports activities, usually there’s a little bit of a zero-sum sport with the athletes or groups or regardless of the setup is. However System E is fairly collaborative. There’s usually a way that everybody is on this collectively. We’re not at scale of different huge international sports activities, so everyone seems to be on the identical web page in making an attempt to develop the game. Everybody understands that there’s the racing and the explanation. We’ve obtained this racing product however we’ve obtained this goal round local weather change and advancing EV know-how, and that shared alignment is essential.
That being stated, in February, while you begin speaking about suspending one race but it surely doesn’t appear too dramatic, by the top of March, we have been parking every little thing for an indefinite time period. That was a giant choice. We tried to do every little thing with your complete ecosystem in thoughts, ensuring individuals really feel protected and wholesome and that we’re being accountable within the cities we go into. However in the end, individuals wish to race. In some methods, as a result of we’re smaller on a relative foundation, we had to determine a distinct option to full the season, and we checked out loads of totally different options. You noticed the NBA did the bubble mannequin in Orlando. In Toronto, they did Toronto and Edmonton. We checked out that, and that really labored fairly effectively for us, which is why we did Berlin.
This 12 months’s totally different. We’re a World Championship, and what which means is that we’re a world championship and we have now to race all world wide if we will. That’s what we’re making an attempt to do that 12 months.
EB: I’m trying ahead to it. Berlin’s six races in 9 days was a extremely good thought, and it was loads of enjoyable to look at with the totally different observe layouts. It was cool to see it occur, however I think about it’s simpler to search out flexibility now that you simply’ve been by way of this earlier than and that all of us type of know what to anticipate with COVID.
JR: I feel that’s proper. There have been moments final spring the place we thought we’d be racing once more in June to finish our season. It grew to become very clear by the center to the top of April that that may be very optimistic. It’s not that we noticed one thing that nobody else noticed. We simply checked out it and stated, we’ve already finished 5 races and we’re purported to do 14. We wish to shield our first 12 months as a World Championship. So, if you happen to work backwards from there, which means we principally have to complete our season in August. Possibly September if we push it.
When you’ve checked out that, we requested if we have been higher off making an attempt to have a collection of occasions in other places or is there a distinct option to do it. Berlin match effectively as a result of it’s a metropolis we’ve raced in earlier than, Tempelhof is a venue we’ve raced at earlier than. We thought, hey, it is a totally different option to showcase the product. To your level, it was six races in 9 days, we switched up the tracks, it was a distinct depth like an NCAA match—that analogy wouldn’t land with my European pals.
However the depth of the playoffs you might need in different sports activities can be in all probability essentially the most accountable method. It’s credible. It’s environment friendly. And it permits us to check one thing that we don’t know might be profitable but it surely may give us a window into how we would do issues otherwise.
With hindsight, it was very effectively suited to 2020. It was very effectively suited to attaining our aim. Antonio [Felix da Costa, 2020 champion] and the Techeetah staff did so effectively within the first couple of races. We hoped they’d draw all of it the best way to the sixth race, but it surely didn’t work out that method, however hey—he’s an excellent deserving champion.
After we look again, we did debate final fall whether or not we should always have a look at season seven and do pods or buckets of races, principally. And we had to consider who we’re optimizing for right here. It’s System E—is it the championship, our groups, our producers, our industrial companions, our media companions? If we have now an ambition to be a tier-one international sport, which we do, we have now an obligation to attempt to make it as international as we will.
There are constraints to that, like moving into China proper now. With their COVID restrictions, that’s very onerous to do. After we have a look at the groups, the enterprise mannequin of System E dictates that we be a world championship. We are able to take some learnings from Berlin, however I wouldn’t see us repeating that mannequin once more.
Now, equally, if issues get dramatically worse—I don’t assume that’s going to be the case, however I’ve stopped making prognostications—we all know that we will try this. We all know we have now that different. Is it the System E that all of us love and consider in? No, it’s not. The one we consider in is one which travels world wide and places on races in metropolis facilities. And that’s what we’re going to attempt to do.
EB: You’ve been reorganizing the schedule as of late. Are you able to discuss what it’s like, speaking to native governments and conforming to native protocols? How do you’re taking these into consideration as you restructure the season?
JR: A very powerful factor to say is that, each time we go right into a metropolis, we’re bringing our product. We would like it to be a product that’s constant and acknowledged world wide. However, equally, how we specific that product in markets world wide may be very totally different based mostly on the rules and cultural expectations or acceptance of motorsport of these markets. Every one has its personal idiosyncrasies. So, that’s the start line.
Then you definately overlay COVID and a well being disaster, which—neglect sports activities for a second. Governments world wide and the political construction of the nations, there are tons of various approaches to and tolerances for sure ranges of caseload and what which means for social gatherings. Now we have to be adaptable to suit inside these necessities. Equally, we had Berlin and we had delivered occasions in what we consider is a really protected method with very clear protocols and with a really robust bubble. The truth is, we had two instances out of 1400 exams on the primary day, and our founder Alejandro [Agag] was one among them. He spent 14 days in a lodge in Berlin. There aren’t any exceptions to this.
There’s regulation in Germany in that case, and there’s our accountability as an organization. The excellent news is that we’ve obtained the protocols from the German races we did, and we’ve obtained the protocols from the testing we did in Valencia, in Spain. After we go and communicate to our companions, for instance, in Santiago, Chile, the place we have been supposed to start out this week, we work with their native well being ministry and native enterprise companions whereas additionally bringing our method, displaying them our protocols, and see if that matches inside the context of Chilean regulation and well being coverage.
When you and I had spoken on December 15, I might have stated that I’m assured we’re going to Chile—we’ve already shipped the vehicles and the logistics shifts have left. Vaccines are coming, and it’s not that I’m a wild optimist, however it might be onerous to think about it might worsen.
After which three or 4 days later, a brand new variant emerged within the UK, and inside the house of 48 hours, just about each nation on this planet had issued a ban on journey from the UK. It was attention-grabbing. We did have the dialog with our companions in Santiago about attainable exemptions, and in the end that door was not open. However even when it had been, you get into social accountability. Think about the nation was prepared to provide the exemption. Are you okay to do this? Within the case of Santiago, it was too quickly. That’s why we made the powerful name to postpone that race.
Then again, time has passed by, and we’ve been working with the Saudi Arabian ministry of sport and well being authorities. They hosted the Dakar over the previous couple of weeks. They’ve protocol about how worldwide sports activities can operate. Individuals can are available below exemptions, quarantine and take a look at, and so forth, and the nation is comfy. So, we’re going to go to Saudi Arabia. We’re engaged on the identical factor for the spring races, however sadly, this modifications day by day.
In easy phrases, it’s a must to be tremendous adaptable and really respectful of native coverage. Finally, as we sit right here as we speak—I might be flawed on this—however I don’t assume there are any nations on this planet the place we might simply present up and host a race. They’re all particular person negotiations with well being ministries, native authorities, visas. I feel that’s simply going to be our actuality for all of 2021.
EB: I’m assuming that’s an intensive course of. About how lengthy does it take for these negotiations to happen?
JR: The excellent news is that our calendar is pretty settled, with all these cities we’ve raced in earlier than, so there’s an present relationship and in every case, we’ve been in dialogue with them for years. Once you overlay COVID, which has well being involvement in addition to immigration and border controls, it’s simply an ongoing dialogue. There’s no particular timeframe, however we’re arising on what we name a call gate, the place we’ve communicated to everybody that we’re going to attempt to talk the following slate of races. Now we have Italy, Spain, Monaco, Marrakesh, and Santiago. That’s the supposed plan, and as of as we speak, we consider we will do it. However on December 15, I believed we have been going to Chile. That’s simply the sensible actuality, which is that issues are difficult.
I’m optimistic—and I feel most individuals are optimistic—that there are a lot of nations on this planet the place the vaccination course of has began. Whereas it’s fairly scary and sobering while you have a look at the statistics within the second, it’s kind of unusual, but it surely ought to enhance. Is it going to enhance in April? Is it going to enhance in July? I don’t know. However until it seems that one among these variants is immune to the vaccines, vaccine distribution ought to assist us be in a greater place afterward within the 12 months. It’s only a query of whether or not that’s in three months or 9 months—which issues loads to our collection.
EB: What are the particular collection protocol? What are you guys doing to remain protected, as System E, while you come into a rustic?
JR: The very first thing that we suggest—and we did this in Berlin—is that we successfully enter our personal bubble. In easy phrases, we hire out a lodge. In Saudi, it may be two or three. Everybody inside the System E paddock will keep in a kind of accommodations. Within the case of Berlin, we had codes based mostly on which zone you have been in. So, have been you within the storage zone, the catering zone, the media zone? These individuals weren’t solely confined to the identical areas on the lodge and the race observe, however you have been solely allowed to journey a bus with individuals in your zone. You would solely have meals in a particular lodge restaurant with individuals from that zone. You couldn’t do no matter you wished.
The entire thought is that you simply’ve obtained a sealed-off group. In our case, we had over 1,000 individuals, and people individuals are separated into smaller pods to attenuate interplay. The concept there’s that, if you happen to did have a constructive hint, in principle you’ll decrease the touchpoints involved tracing.
In Saudi, we’ll function, broadly, the identical program. I believe it is going to be the identical in Rome and so forth. Once you get into the spring, with Monaco, we’re cautiously optimistic that we’ll have the ability to host some followers and open issues up a little bit bit.
EB: System E is all about being eco-friendly, however loads of COViD protocols spotlight disposability—like single-use masks, eliminating water fountains, that type of factor. Are you guys excited about the way you’re combatting these points that come up while you’re a sustainable collection devoted to being eco-friendly?
JR: We’re all the time taking a look at methods to implement applied sciences or merchandise that permit us to scale back our footprint. One of many examples is with our accomplice Allianz. We do water stations at races to scale back the variety of single-use plastic cups or bottles. We hand out pouches that individuals can use throughout the e-village and hospitality. We’re making an attempt to evolve to a mannequin the place all of our touchpoints are per the overarching model promise.
Within the case of COVID, simply to be candid, the need to be ecologically unimpeachable is trumped by the need to maintain individuals protected and wholesome. The truth is, sure, it’s a must to use new masks. The truth is, in Germany, we needed to change masks. That’s dictated as a part of the coverage there. Now, in Germany, if you happen to use public transport, it’s a must to use an N95 masks. If we have been doing an occasion in Germany tomorrow, we’d be held to that commonplace.
That’s simply the trade-off proper now. There’s not a lot we will do about that.
EB: System E operates on a barely totally different mannequin than different motorsport occasions—what are the particular challenges with the collection relating to scheduling races and do you see there being any advantages to FE versus a collection like System One that may race in relative isolation?
JR: There’s little doubt that the city-center racing mannequin is tougher on this atmosphere. As you realize, by way of the calendar, Paris might be coming off this 12 months and the explanation for that’s that, in one of the best of occasions, it’s a extremely logistically difficult race to placed on. I say this, however I haven’t truly seen it but—I’m happening what my staff tells me right here. However if you happen to see the place the observe is, proper by way of Les Invalides and on the backside of the Champs-Elysées, that is prime Paris actual property. The truth that it might occur in any respect is a testomony to the neighborhood by way of Paris’ dedication to go post-carbon and banning inside combustion vehicles by 2030. They’re actually on the forefront of that, and so they’re prepared to placed on the race, and the residents are prepared, too.
On this context, when the variety of instances is extremely excessive and sources from the federal government must be utilized towards vaccinating the inhabitants and taking good care of sick individuals, it simply didn’t really feel proper.
I’m utilizing that for example. Typically, the issues that make System E particular are actually difficult. Equally, in Mexico, it’s a a lot simpler race to up on as a result of it’s a observe the place F1 races. However, as of as we speak, that observe is an emergency hospital and emergency vaccination web site. It’s the identical factor for the Excel heart in London, which is a privately owned entity, and the terminal in Brooklyn as effectively. Apparently, a number of the websites that work for System E are additionally very efficient emergency medical care websites. I believe that’s not a coincidence.
The excellent news is—and I don’t actually wish to examine us to different motorsports, however look—we’ve raced in loads of totally different venues and consider we have now the chance to check the mannequin. So we have now venues like Berlin the place we will strive a brand new format. We’ve obtained locations like Marrakesh the place nobody else usually goes, and we all know do a race there. We’re going to take a look at options.
I’m a agency believer that System E must lean into why we’re totally different, and racing in cities is likely one of the the explanation why we’re distinct. Whether or not you’re a motorsport or a client product, these corporations have actually robust worth propositions and their rivals and friends can’t replicate it. For us, that’s metropolis racing.
Equally, not each single race must be in that vein. A part of what makes Paris so particular on the System E calendar is the truth that it’s the one which’s finished that method. In the previous couple of months, we’ve been in search of locations the place we will race and actually broaden our rules whereas perhaps pushing the envelope a little bit bit. That’s the pragmatic level. For instance, in Italy, we have now our typical System E web site, however there’s a observe at Vallelunga that we’ve been having conversations with as a backup within the occasion that we’re not capable of host one in Rome.
Is that true to System E’s DNA? It’s not. However is it the precise factor to do in mild of this present disaster? Sure, it’s.
EB: It looks like there’s loads of tradeoff between what you need the collection to be and what’s most sensible proper now, which appears to be the case for everybody in all places proper now.
JR: Proper. When you look again eventually 12 months, we obtained blended views on Berlin. Some individuals actually praised it and stated it was an amazing thought. Others stated, hey, we observed you probably did that, however System One managed to run 17 races and journey the world. They usually did. And I give them an infinite quantity of credit score for that. If I look nearer to house for me, with hockey, the Canadian border is closed. As a hockey fan, it’s a disgrace the Habs can’t play the Bruins. However, y’know, they’re going to play the Leaves and the Jets and the Flames tons of occasions this 12 months. Are Canadians going to be much less interested by hockey due to that? No. I feel followers and the media and sponsors perceive that we’re navigating unprecedented occasions. To not be overly dramatic about this, however in 10 years, individuals are going to be studying about this in textbooks.
I’m not that previous, however while you examine World Battle II and the way that outlined a technology, COVID and the pandemic will outline this era and can proceed to reverberate for years by way of how we host occasions and work together with individuals. So, I feel individuals are fairly understanding. System E has a definite positioning round metropolis racing, and we’re strongly dedicated to that. As I look within the medium-term, although, that doesn’t imply we have to do 15 races within the metropolis heart. What Berlin stated is that they don’t have an All-Star weekend or playoffs or the ultimate shootout. I imply, I’m encouraging our staff to say that the issues we do throughout COVID are replicable not directly. Our Race at Dwelling collection is now an esport collection referred to as Speed up. That was one thing that was born out of necessity with COVID, however we’re not abandoning it. We’re asking how we will make this platform journey.
And once more, I don’t assume we’ll do Berlin once more by way of six races in 9 days, however there’s one thing to be stated for having one venue and having a couple of races and altering the observe and making a giant competition round it as we think about the product. Most likely not for this 12 months, however sooner or later, that might truly be a cool idea.
EB: I’ve to ask as an American, how are negotiations for the New York ePrix coming alongside? I do know you stated that web site is getting used as an emergency heart, however how have conversations been? How are the prospects of a race truly occurring?
JR: We really feel actually good about New York with the one caveat being the truth that it was used as a hospital final summer time. We’re not saying New York as a part of this choice gate, however that doesn’t mirror a insecurity within the venue. It’s extra a query of the precise dates and once we can make clear the total calendar.
So, this 12 months we’re making an attempt to study from final 12 months, however I’ll say this. One of many critiques we obtained final 12 months was that we determined to do Berlin late within the minds of a few of our stakeholders. I feel individuals’s reminiscences are quick. In Might, if you happen to didn’t know whether or not you may go wherever or journey, it was onerous to plan. However principally what we stated this 12 months is, let’s do choice gates. That method, we’re telling our groups and drivers and followers and media what races we consider are going to occur on these dates within the close to future.
We’ll announce the set for the spring, and I really feel superb in regards to the ones being introduced. Can one thing change? Sure. Do we have now backup plans for every? Sure. However we’re fairly assured these are going to occur. After which, someday within the spring, let’s say early April, we’ll have the ability to announce the ultimate set of races. I’m hoping that’ll be Mexico, New York, London, Berlin, Seoul, and China. Now, as we sit right here as we speak, China and Korea have onerous border closures. New York feels fairly good. London feels good apart from the truth that it’s a vaccination web site, however we nonetheless assume that’ll be okay. And Mexico, it’s actually only a matter of which date and the way far alongside they’re by way of vaccinations.
Well-known final phrases, however there’s no cause we shouldn’t associate with this. And New York is necessary to us in that very same vein. The present logic is Santigo in June, then North America thereafter. That may be the logistically environment friendly method to take a look at it.
EB: Do you are interested in bringing again a Canadian race? As a result of the Montreal ePrix was palms down one of the best motorsport occasion I’ve ever been to.
Let’s put it this manner, once we take into consideration the place we wish to race, we wish them to be huge finish markets for our manufacturing companions and to have passionate followers who perceive the game however admire why we’re totally different to different motorsport. Our industrial companions play a task in markets the place they may entertain purchasers or placed on advertising campaigns. Once I’m requested by our producers, they’ll typically say mainland China is basically necessary, western United States and California, however Canada truly options fairly excessive as a result of it’s recognized to be a passionate marketplace for sports activities followers. There’s understanding of motorsport, whether or not it’s F1 in Quebec or IndyCar in Toronto and Vancouver. There’s an infinite quantity of commerce throughout the border that occurs within the automotive sector. And Toronto, as you realize, is likely one of the greatest cities in North America by way of each inhabitants and financial output. It’s a giant market.